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		<title>By: MPrewitt</title>
		<link>http://spirit3design.com/pixelgawker/2008/02/03/oh-so-your-one-of-those/comment-page-1/#comment-202</link>
		<dc:creator>MPrewitt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Feb 2008 17:24:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I feel what the lunchbreak girl 

was speaking upon.

I feel that. 

Fortunatly I&#039;m all aout exploitation 

and 

$elling out!

I have a few fine art friends,. and to be honest

I don&#039;t get the idea of NOT SELLING OUT.

I&#039;m trying to survive.

stealing bread from CVS is getting old.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I feel what the lunchbreak girl </p>
<p>was speaking upon.</p>
<p>I feel that. </p>
<p>Fortunatly I&#8217;m all aout exploitation </p>
<p>and </p>
<p>$elling out!</p>
<p>I have a few fine art friends,. and to be honest</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t get the idea of NOT SELLING OUT.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m trying to survive.</p>
<p>stealing bread from CVS is getting old.</p>
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		<title>By: kp</title>
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		<dc:creator>kp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Feb 2008 03:23:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I swear I wish I had a voice recorder in my pocket when I was first introduced to the department by Sue LaPorte my freshmen year. She went into great detail about &quot;problem solving&quot; and &quot;possibilities&quot; and being &quot;culturally aware,&quot; she summed it up so beautifully and it was so inspiring. She should write the pocket pamphlet for sure ; )</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I swear I wish I had a voice recorder in my pocket when I was first introduced to the department by Sue LaPorte my freshmen year. She went into great detail about &#8220;problem solving&#8221; and &#8220;possibilities&#8221; and being &#8220;culturally aware,&#8221; she summed it up so beautifully and it was so inspiring. She should write the pocket pamphlet for sure ; )</p>
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		<title>By: Colleen Hill</title>
		<link>http://spirit3design.com/pixelgawker/2008/02/03/oh-so-your-one-of-those/comment-page-1/#comment-195</link>
		<dc:creator>Colleen Hill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Feb 2008 20:42:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I, like everyone else responding to this post, can completely sympathize with you on this matter. As a working designer I would love to have my efforts appreciated by the general public. I would love to receive the same recognition when I state the name of the institution I graduated from that those who spent most likely an equal amount of time on homework at an Ivy League school get from their dentists and extended relatives. In an ideal world, graphic design would be viewed as a powerful tool that affects the daily lives of everyone, just as modern medicine is (I am in no way trying to undermine the value of modern medicine or the appreciation I have for those working in the medical field). Unfortunately for us, this is not the case. 

Most CCS students spend a great deal of time working incredibly hard at school, pouring their blood, sweat and tears into their work, I know I certainly did. However, as much as I would love to say I did all of this solely to better myself as a designer, at the back of my head there was a large part of me that was making the grades and pulling the all nighters in an attempt to prove to my friends, my parents, my former high school classmates that Art School isn’t a joke. 

I’ve found even from my closest friends, a very bizarre sort of accomplishment when they realize the vast reach that some of the projects I have worked on have had. Generally, it’s not these same projects that bring me personal satisfaction with the work that I do. I do not sleep easier at night knowing that Bob Smith in Duluth, MN has received a very well typeset brochure about a sweepstakes sponsored by client Y. Reactions like this, from people are more well aware than the average person (because they are close to me I MAKE them aware) are even more telling of the importance for graphic designers to not only have necessary technical skills but additionally superb verbal communication skills. It is extremely important for designers to be able to not only articulate themselves but also to step back from their work and become an educator to their client who most likely, does not have the faintest idea why research and thorough process work are necessary in the early stages of their project. 

On a secondary note, I think that this conflict of a lack of understanding of the significance design plays in their lives from the public at large is very much cultural. After having spent time in Europe (more specifically in the Netherlands) as a member of Deprogram 07, I can assure you this is not the case everywhere. It was certainly refreshing to see that there are places in the world where even the government understands that design is something worth investing in. This understanding is what allows for designers working in the Netherlands to create interesting, conceptually rich work. In fact, there were a number of small firms that were able to start their independent firms right out of college because they applied for government grant money from the government to pay for the expenses of starting a company. That’s right, not a loan, not something they have to pay back, the government granted these designers the funds to start their own firms because the Dutch government has a very good (and might I add unique) understanding of the importance of design. 

Wouldn’t it be nice if we all had the luxury of working in such an environment? How did the Dutch government and public get to this place, to this level of appreciation and understanding? It’s hard to say, I really haven’t the faintest clue myself other than that I think it takes a tremendous amount of pressure and open communication from our end to educate those ignorant of design’s influence on their lives. Is it impossible to have “good” clients in Michigan? No, I don’t think so, but I think it’s largely up to us to make them good clients. 

*Also, to answer Megan’s question about HOW to convey what we do other than listing things like “I make logos” I think its crucially important to drive home the fact that what drives Graphic Design is conveying complex ideas in a simple and visual way. Graphic Design is about ideas; Advertising is about selling a product. Either way, the end medium (print, web, business card, logo, poster etc.) could be anything; it’s the concept and the idea driving the design that dictates the medium of the end product.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I, like everyone else responding to this post, can completely sympathize with you on this matter. As a working designer I would love to have my efforts appreciated by the general public. I would love to receive the same recognition when I state the name of the institution I graduated from that those who spent most likely an equal amount of time on homework at an Ivy League school get from their dentists and extended relatives. In an ideal world, graphic design would be viewed as a powerful tool that affects the daily lives of everyone, just as modern medicine is (I am in no way trying to undermine the value of modern medicine or the appreciation I have for those working in the medical field). Unfortunately for us, this is not the case. </p>
<p>Most CCS students spend a great deal of time working incredibly hard at school, pouring their blood, sweat and tears into their work, I know I certainly did. However, as much as I would love to say I did all of this solely to better myself as a designer, at the back of my head there was a large part of me that was making the grades and pulling the all nighters in an attempt to prove to my friends, my parents, my former high school classmates that Art School isn’t a joke. </p>
<p>I’ve found even from my closest friends, a very bizarre sort of accomplishment when they realize the vast reach that some of the projects I have worked on have had. Generally, it’s not these same projects that bring me personal satisfaction with the work that I do. I do not sleep easier at night knowing that Bob Smith in Duluth, MN has received a very well typeset brochure about a sweepstakes sponsored by client Y. Reactions like this, from people are more well aware than the average person (because they are close to me I MAKE them aware) are even more telling of the importance for graphic designers to not only have necessary technical skills but additionally superb verbal communication skills. It is extremely important for designers to be able to not only articulate themselves but also to step back from their work and become an educator to their client who most likely, does not have the faintest idea why research and thorough process work are necessary in the early stages of their project. </p>
<p>On a secondary note, I think that this conflict of a lack of understanding of the significance design plays in their lives from the public at large is very much cultural. After having spent time in Europe (more specifically in the Netherlands) as a member of Deprogram 07, I can assure you this is not the case everywhere. It was certainly refreshing to see that there are places in the world where even the government understands that design is something worth investing in. This understanding is what allows for designers working in the Netherlands to create interesting, conceptually rich work. In fact, there were a number of small firms that were able to start their independent firms right out of college because they applied for government grant money from the government to pay for the expenses of starting a company. That’s right, not a loan, not something they have to pay back, the government granted these designers the funds to start their own firms because the Dutch government has a very good (and might I add unique) understanding of the importance of design. </p>
<p>Wouldn’t it be nice if we all had the luxury of working in such an environment? How did the Dutch government and public get to this place, to this level of appreciation and understanding? It’s hard to say, I really haven’t the faintest clue myself other than that I think it takes a tremendous amount of pressure and open communication from our end to educate those ignorant of design’s influence on their lives. Is it impossible to have “good” clients in Michigan? No, I don’t think so, but I think it’s largely up to us to make them good clients. </p>
<p>*Also, to answer Megan’s question about HOW to convey what we do other than listing things like “I make logos” I think its crucially important to drive home the fact that what drives Graphic Design is conveying complex ideas in a simple and visual way. Graphic Design is about ideas; Advertising is about selling a product. Either way, the end medium (print, web, business card, logo, poster etc.) could be anything; it’s the concept and the idea driving the design that dictates the medium of the end product.</p>
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		<title>By: chad reichert</title>
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		<dc:creator>chad reichert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Feb 2008 20:42:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>my &quot;moment&quot; came when i first got out of undergrad.  i met up with a high school classmate i had not seen for 4-5 years. she asked what i was doing and i mentioned that i was a graphic designer. without hesitation she blurted out &quot;REALLY!!! i work in a dentist office and we have this software that shows patients what their teeth will look like after a procedure. that&#039;s what you DO, right?&quot; after wiping the dirt off as i picked my jaw off the floor, i recovered and said &quot;yeah, that&#039;s exactly what i DO.&quot;

i still don&#039;t know what  &quot;DO&quot; meant, but what i know  is that we as a design community must do a better job of promoting our craft to a broader audience and educating our clients. if not, we will continue to witness the look of bewilderment and confusion on people&#039;s face when they ask us about our beloved profession.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>my &#8220;moment&#8221; came when i first got out of undergrad.  i met up with a high school classmate i had not seen for 4-5 years. she asked what i was doing and i mentioned that i was a graphic designer. without hesitation she blurted out &#8220;REALLY!!! i work in a dentist office and we have this software that shows patients what their teeth will look like after a procedure. that&#8217;s what you DO, right?&#8221; after wiping the dirt off as i picked my jaw off the floor, i recovered and said &#8220;yeah, that&#8217;s exactly what i DO.&#8221;</p>
<p>i still don&#8217;t know what  &#8220;DO&#8221; meant, but what i know  is that we as a design community must do a better job of promoting our craft to a broader audience and educating our clients. if not, we will continue to witness the look of bewilderment and confusion on people&#8217;s face when they ask us about our beloved profession.</p>
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		<title>By: megan deal</title>
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		<dc:creator>megan deal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Feb 2008 14:21:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, I think its important to inform the general public what we do as designers...but how? How does one describe the profession without always referring to the specific things we &quot;make.&quot; My earlier point suggests that its difficult to describe the design process to someone because the creative  route we travel is intangible, making it difficult to grasp. Its no wonder why the general public thinks that we just sit down at a computer and make things.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, I think its important to inform the general public what we do as designers&#8230;but how? How does one describe the profession without always referring to the specific things we &#8220;make.&#8221; My earlier point suggests that its difficult to describe the design process to someone because the creative  route we travel is intangible, making it difficult to grasp. Its no wonder why the general public thinks that we just sit down at a computer and make things.</p>
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		<title>By: Tracy Says</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tracy Says</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Feb 2008 04:22:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Back to the origin of this story. The girl. I really wish the effort was made to teach this individual something about what we do. We all know well enough that what we do is much more than what the majority of people think when they hear &quot;Graphic Design.&quot;
I am not saying lecture this young woman with a specific definition of graphic design, but leaving her with something more is better than nothing at all. 
Maybe that is just my opinion, but as designers we don&#039;t have to communicate through our work alone. We were all given voices that need to take advantage opportunities such as this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Back to the origin of this story. The girl. I really wish the effort was made to teach this individual something about what we do. We all know well enough that what we do is much more than what the majority of people think when they hear &#8220;Graphic Design.&#8221;<br />
I am not saying lecture this young woman with a specific definition of graphic design, but leaving her with something more is better than nothing at all.<br />
Maybe that is just my opinion, but as designers we don&#8217;t have to communicate through our work alone. We were all given voices that need to take advantage opportunities such as this.</p>
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		<title>By: marcusmullins</title>
		<link>http://spirit3design.com/pixelgawker/2008/02/03/oh-so-your-one-of-those/comment-page-1/#comment-188</link>
		<dc:creator>marcusmullins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Feb 2008 00:36:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>today on the discovery channel they referred to a man who was photoshop-ing possible objects mistaken for UFO&#039;s into a forest scene as a graphic designer...it really is striking how little people really know about what graphic design is. Butperhaps this man is on the Discovery channel told someone he was a graphic designer so thats what they called hi on the show. I think since the general public, at least in our country, doesn&#039;t really look at as much &quot;good&quot; graphic design every day like we tend to, they have a lower standard for what to expect from a designer and want quick  and cheap designs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>today on the discovery channel they referred to a man who was photoshop-ing possible objects mistaken for UFO&#8217;s into a forest scene as a graphic designer&#8230;it really is striking how little people really know about what graphic design is. Butperhaps this man is on the Discovery channel told someone he was a graphic designer so thats what they called hi on the show. I think since the general public, at least in our country, doesn&#8217;t really look at as much &#8220;good&#8221; graphic design every day like we tend to, they have a lower standard for what to expect from a designer and want quick  and cheap designs.</p>
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		<title>By: tinnevl</title>
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		<dc:creator>tinnevl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Feb 2008 04:38:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree that the general public thinks graphic designers only make a product, and they don&#039;t realize it&#039;s about a service, research and process and more... All the &quot;supposed professional design firms&quot; that keep popping up online that charge by product make it even worse I think. I mean, how can you expect a logo for $150 or less? People don&#039;t realize the hours of work that goes into everything. They think a logo is just a drawing you put together real quick, shouldn&#039;t take long, right? The other day my mom asked me to make an identity for my parents&#039; business. She told me to have 3 designs ready in an hour.....uhh yeah. I was disappointed... for somebody who sees nearly all my process work and stress that goes into every project to just not get it is disappointing. 

Especially with the DIY stuff now, I don&#039;t think people really value design anymore. They think anyone that has illustrator or photoshop can instantly design. They believe the ability to design only comes with obtaining design software.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree that the general public thinks graphic designers only make a product, and they don&#8217;t realize it&#8217;s about a service, research and process and more&#8230; All the &#8220;supposed professional design firms&#8221; that keep popping up online that charge by product make it even worse I think. I mean, how can you expect a logo for $150 or less? People don&#8217;t realize the hours of work that goes into everything. They think a logo is just a drawing you put together real quick, shouldn&#8217;t take long, right? The other day my mom asked me to make an identity for my parents&#8217; business. She told me to have 3 designs ready in an hour&#8230;..uhh yeah. I was disappointed&#8230; for somebody who sees nearly all my process work and stress that goes into every project to just not get it is disappointing. </p>
<p>Especially with the DIY stuff now, I don&#8217;t think people really value design anymore. They think anyone that has illustrator or photoshop can instantly design. They believe the ability to design only comes with obtaining design software.</p>
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		<title>By: afarhat</title>
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		<dc:creator>afarhat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Feb 2008 03:11:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This reminds me of the numerous posts on craigslist.org I&#039;ve seen, made by design professionals stating that wanting to hire someone with x and x and x skills but wanting to pay them the wages of someone who did not go to college is an insult to our value as designers. You get what you pay for... and with so many companies springing up whitewashed with similarly bad logos and websites, its no wonder the general public has a misconception of the worth of design.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This reminds me of the numerous posts on craigslist.org I&#8217;ve seen, made by design professionals stating that wanting to hire someone with x and x and x skills but wanting to pay them the wages of someone who did not go to college is an insult to our value as designers. You get what you pay for&#8230; and with so many companies springing up whitewashed with similarly bad logos and websites, its no wonder the general public has a misconception of the worth of design.</p>
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		<title>By: Colleen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Colleen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Feb 2008 20:15:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well said Megan. Funny, my dental hygienist when asking what I did for a living said similarly &quot;so, you make buildings right?&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well said Megan. Funny, my dental hygienist when asking what I did for a living said similarly &#8220;so, you make buildings right?&#8221;</p>
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