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	<title>Comments on: How DID we end up here? A Critical Review of CCS&#8217; latest gem, Perspective.</title>
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		<title>By: MPrewitt</title>
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		<dc:creator>MPrewitt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Feb 2008 17:30:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>^

yea, I seen it after I read this ..

I must say it IS a waste of $, materials, and

effort.

But..

Thats the way the cookie crumbles..

The kids who put this thing together DID IT.

They pulled some things together and did it.

Look around, theres tons of shitty stuff out in

the world,... mOre than qualitative stuff..

It boils down to how somone took the 

inchoative to do somthing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>^</p>
<p>yea, I seen it after I read this ..</p>
<p>I must say it IS a waste of $, materials, and</p>
<p>effort.</p>
<p>But..</p>
<p>Thats the way the cookie crumbles..</p>
<p>The kids who put this thing together DID IT.</p>
<p>They pulled some things together and did it.</p>
<p>Look around, theres tons of shitty stuff out in</p>
<p>the world,&#8230; mOre than qualitative stuff..</p>
<p>It boils down to how somone took the </p>
<p>inchoative to do somthing.</p>
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		<title>By: shanasty</title>
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		<dc:creator>shanasty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Feb 2008 18:14:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Very interesting comments on both sides of the argument...i have yet to look though the publication, but now i look forward to doing so.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very interesting comments on both sides of the argument&#8230;i have yet to look though the publication, but now i look forward to doing so.</p>
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		<title>By: Colleen Hill</title>
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		<dc:creator>Colleen Hill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Feb 2008 21:12:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well said Megan.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well said Megan.</p>
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		<title>By: fd5daryl</title>
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		<dc:creator>fd5daryl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Feb 2008 21:04:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>While I definitely give these students props for taking the initiative to do this, they &lt;i&gt;still do go to design school&lt;/i&gt; and they should expect to receive the same critique of design and concept as they would in the classroom.

To quote Jurassic Park: &quot;Yeah, but your scientists were so preoccupied with whether or not they could, they didn&#039;t stop to think if they should.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While I definitely give these students props for taking the initiative to do this, they <i>still do go to design school</i> and they should expect to receive the same critique of design and concept as they would in the classroom.</p>
<p>To quote Jurassic Park: &#8220;Yeah, but your scientists were so preoccupied with whether or not they could, they didn&#8217;t stop to think if they should.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: dkapa</title>
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		<dc:creator>dkapa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Feb 2008 17:55:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think you should fist fight about it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think you should fist fight about it.</p>
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		<title>By: megan deal</title>
		<link>http://spirit3design.com/pixelgawker/2008/02/02/how-did-we-end-up-here-a-critical-review-of-ccs-latest-gem-perspective/comment-page-1/#comment-193</link>
		<dc:creator>megan deal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Feb 2008 14:33:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The so-called &quot;agenda&quot; behind my original review has little to do with indignation, and absolutely nothing to do with the funding cuts for any other publication. Spine was simply an example to illustrate a point. If anyone would like to discuss the life, death, and/or subsequent rebirth of Spine, I&#039;m sure a willing party could be round up for a factual dialogue on the issue. Further, the intent of this blog is to allow for the critical discussion of design issues as they pertain to students. A publication such as Perspective, when distributed school wide as it was, is subject to such scrutiny. I would suggest that the creators of Perspective allow for such criticism if the magazine&#039;s intention truly is to serve all CCS students.

To make clear, yet again, this review was not, and is not, a personal attack on the magazine&#039;s creators or funders. You, (art4life) of all people, know very well that I support Student Life and the efforts that they make to give CCS students a voice.  

You suggest, &quot;publish something or give up.&quot; I suggest, consider the value of what you&#039;re publishing, before your readers give up.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The so-called &#8220;agenda&#8221; behind my original review has little to do with indignation, and absolutely nothing to do with the funding cuts for any other publication. Spine was simply an example to illustrate a point. If anyone would like to discuss the life, death, and/or subsequent rebirth of Spine, I&#8217;m sure a willing party could be round up for a factual dialogue on the issue. Further, the intent of this blog is to allow for the critical discussion of design issues as they pertain to students. A publication such as Perspective, when distributed school wide as it was, is subject to such scrutiny. I would suggest that the creators of Perspective allow for such criticism if the magazine&#8217;s intention truly is to serve all CCS students.</p>
<p>To make clear, yet again, this review was not, and is not, a personal attack on the magazine&#8217;s creators or funders. You, (art4life) of all people, know very well that I support Student Life and the efforts that they make to give CCS students a voice.  </p>
<p>You suggest, &#8220;publish something or give up.&#8221; I suggest, consider the value of what you&#8217;re publishing, before your readers give up.</p>
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		<title>By: art4life</title>
		<link>http://spirit3design.com/pixelgawker/2008/02/02/how-did-we-end-up-here-a-critical-review-of-ccs-latest-gem-perspective/comment-page-1/#comment-192</link>
		<dc:creator>art4life</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Feb 2008 05:52:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Perspective received money from student government. I am on student government and was there when josh came to request money.  His proposal was very professional, well thought out and delivered with confidence. This is something ANY student group may do.  Perspective is an official student organization, which requires that there is an advisor who is among the CCS faculty.  Perspective’s advisor is Dan Long, who works in student life.  He watches over the group. HOWEVER he does not change the content.  The entire purpose to having a student run periodical is to keep administration from censoring what ever is published.  

To say the least, there is a hidden agenda behind this post.  I believe (knowing megan) that her “betrayal” is built on the cut funding of the previous successful magazine “Spine”.  Which was created by the graphic design department for a class, which students were given credit for.  I was a faithful follower of this magazine and I have the first 4 issues (the missing issues are due to the lack of distribution, which come from the lack of funding). Even this last semester I met with two of the students in the class who worked on spine, to brainstorm ideas.   One idea brought up was to bring Spine back to the school.  This publication, (from the mouths of the two students I met with) was focused solely on the graphic design department, and was encouraged to do so by the instructor.  No longer did they want it to be open to the school. My understanding of spine was (again from my sources) that any mention of opening submissions to the student body were revoked with little discussion.  Marcus has it right on when he says perspective was and is struggling with dedicated members.  Having people show up to one or two meetings and tell them they would take the time to do something for the periodical and then stop showing up was a continual problem.  This made it hard on those people who were dedicated to get anything done.  So it came to a point where everything had to be done and they relied on the people they knew would do it. Themselves.  Were they the best for the job? Probably not. But they did the best they could.  It got to a point where it was ether publish something or give up.   So maybe this issue was that great. It had a lot of problems.  But you should not be so quick to bash something with so much potential and instead maybe you should show up to meeting.  It’s easy to sit on your ass and type into your blog.  But at least some people are out there trying.  I have faith that this periodical with improve over time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Perspective received money from student government. I am on student government and was there when josh came to request money.  His proposal was very professional, well thought out and delivered with confidence. This is something ANY student group may do.  Perspective is an official student organization, which requires that there is an advisor who is among the CCS faculty.  Perspective’s advisor is Dan Long, who works in student life.  He watches over the group. HOWEVER he does not change the content.  The entire purpose to having a student run periodical is to keep administration from censoring what ever is published.  </p>
<p>To say the least, there is a hidden agenda behind this post.  I believe (knowing megan) that her “betrayal” is built on the cut funding of the previous successful magazine “Spine”.  Which was created by the graphic design department for a class, which students were given credit for.  I was a faithful follower of this magazine and I have the first 4 issues (the missing issues are due to the lack of distribution, which come from the lack of funding). Even this last semester I met with two of the students in the class who worked on spine, to brainstorm ideas.   One idea brought up was to bring Spine back to the school.  This publication, (from the mouths of the two students I met with) was focused solely on the graphic design department, and was encouraged to do so by the instructor.  No longer did they want it to be open to the school. My understanding of spine was (again from my sources) that any mention of opening submissions to the student body were revoked with little discussion.  Marcus has it right on when he says perspective was and is struggling with dedicated members.  Having people show up to one or two meetings and tell them they would take the time to do something for the periodical and then stop showing up was a continual problem.  This made it hard on those people who were dedicated to get anything done.  So it came to a point where everything had to be done and they relied on the people they knew would do it. Themselves.  Were they the best for the job? Probably not. But they did the best they could.  It got to a point where it was ether publish something or give up.   So maybe this issue was that great. It had a lot of problems.  But you should not be so quick to bash something with so much potential and instead maybe you should show up to meeting.  It’s easy to sit on your ass and type into your blog.  But at least some people are out there trying.  I have faith that this periodical with improve over time.</p>
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		<title>By: bwlucas</title>
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		<dc:creator>bwlucas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Feb 2008 18:24:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sounds like office politics to me. I would assume if a singular department receives funding for a publication / student run project that is solely for the use of that department, then every department must receive an equal share. 

I can&#039;t help but question why the school would invest so much into a project and not have full supervision over it. Financial Statements, proofs for approval? I can&#039;t think that the President of CCS would want future prospective students and their parents picking up a copy of this magazine and reading about how CCS is tackling the environmental aspect of &quot;greener&quot; sex. 

I suppose approvals are only needed for the posters advertising the magazine throughout the hallways.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sounds like office politics to me. I would assume if a singular department receives funding for a publication / student run project that is solely for the use of that department, then every department must receive an equal share. </p>
<p>I can&#8217;t help but question why the school would invest so much into a project and not have full supervision over it. Financial Statements, proofs for approval? I can&#8217;t think that the President of CCS would want future prospective students and their parents picking up a copy of this magazine and reading about how CCS is tackling the environmental aspect of &#8220;greener&#8221; sex. </p>
<p>I suppose approvals are only needed for the posters advertising the magazine throughout the hallways.</p>
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		<title>By: megan deal</title>
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		<dc:creator>megan deal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Feb 2008 16:49:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think its important not to direct our focus specifically towards the individual(s) who created the publication, and spend more time discussing how publications such as this one end up with funding, while others get neglected. I don&#039;t doubt the fact that Josh and others worked very hard getting this magazine organized and printed. As we all know, content development of any kind is a difficult task and requires sufficient time if it is to be done properly. To produce a valuable and quality publication, however, desire and ambition simply isn&#039;t enough to lead success. I would hope that in the future, our institution takes the time to consider the material that they&#039;re supporting.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think its important not to direct our focus specifically towards the individual(s) who created the publication, and spend more time discussing how publications such as this one end up with funding, while others get neglected. I don&#8217;t doubt the fact that Josh and others worked very hard getting this magazine organized and printed. As we all know, content development of any kind is a difficult task and requires sufficient time if it is to be done properly. To produce a valuable and quality publication, however, desire and ambition simply isn&#8217;t enough to lead success. I would hope that in the future, our institution takes the time to consider the material that they&#8217;re supporting.</p>
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		<title>By: rberesh</title>
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		<dc:creator>rberesh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Feb 2008 16:38:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>GD students are much more then people who know how to use programs we are thinkers.

Anyone of us who is willing to produce someone&#039;s idea because they have money with no &quot;careful assessment to the audience, and the question of value&quot;, well then you are becoming a computer pusher.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>GD students are much more then people who know how to use programs we are thinkers.</p>
<p>Anyone of us who is willing to produce someone&#8217;s idea because they have money with no &#8220;careful assessment to the audience, and the question of value&#8221;, well then you are becoming a computer pusher.</p>
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